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Thanks, as always, Ji! Learning that actions (cause) have consequences (effects) is a key milestone in raising one's children and for their future adult lives. Actions can lead to positive, neutral, and negative outcomes. In this world it would seem that understanding this is the only path to skillful living, i.e. developing meaningful relationships, earning a living, avoiding the legal system, and having a chance at a life not filled with negative consequences. Just because the cause and effect phenomenon appears to be the nature of the universe does not mean that we can attach a moral purpose behind it. I also love that Krishna gets the nuance in Chapter 2 of the Bhagavadgita that not acting is acting!

As I have remarked previously addressing another of your writings, I love MLK, but thinks he misses the mark when he says that "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." The universe just "is," sat. Justice is an entirely human construct. The lion does not think "justice" when he eats the poacher. In an indifferent but actioning universe, the only justice humans can experience is what we create by our own actions. Would it be wonderful if the universe was moral and that bad actors eventually pay for their actions? Of course. As you point out in your piece, believing in a just universe is a bypass. If we want accountability, we have to create it ourselves.

ps: I have always wondered about the Ritualists insistence on the efficacy of their rituals. Either they only asked for the guaranteed stuff, like "I do this so the sun will rise tomorrow," or they were good at accepting a failed ritual. As far as I can tell, asking for the universe to solve your problems probably doesn’t work too well. As the Stones understated it, "you can't always get what you want."

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Hi DOuglas - I've enjoyed reading your comments, including this one. It reminds me that many years ago I discussed extensively with Edwin Bryant the meaning of jāti in Yogasūtras 2.31. Literally, of course, it means "birth," but as you also know is the usual Indian word for "caste." Edwin's contention, which made sense to me and appears as such his translation and commentary, was that jāti, along with place (deśa), time (kāla), and current conditions (samaya), were instrumental in determining spiritual practice and the prospects of "spiritual evolution" (an overused term that has always troubled me, and still does). Edwin received a lot of pushback on this, but I think he's right, especially after experiencing continuing gropup karma, including today in the assassination of the Ayatollah in Iran. Jāti, it seemed to Edwin, meant a birth community, such as a caste of brahmins or vaiśyas, as well as Jews, Navajos, Tibetan Buddhists, Australian aborigines, and, indeed, present day Americans, with their shared and eccentric belief in their manifest destiny and exceptionalism. The problem with all spiritual and nationalist groups is their claims of special access to privileged knowledge and (usually) an exclusive claim to a level of consciousness. This, to me ads up to karma, group karma. Edwin , as you also know, has remained a faithful if intellectually questioning ISKCON member since the 1970s, so has his own set of practices and beliefs. ETc. Enough for the moment. BUt I thought I would share a few more words on karma. Om

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